הסיפור האמיתי : ילדי תימן - פרשה לאומית לא פתורה

0:17Good evening. This isn't a national episode; it's a segment about Yemeni children. Tonight we'll try to make sense of the facts and the information that has been spread over the years, in the public and in the media, and also by the members of the committee who have been waiting for the segment to be broadcast about hundreds of children whose parents left Yemen. as many as 1,000 of the children who passed away were lost to their parents in the first two years, and there is no debate about this. Many of them were declared dead, but years later, some of them were found by rescue groups, and some of them were discovered in families of immigrants. Complaints about the kidnapping of children, to Ashkenazi families of Holocaust survivors, or families of children in Israel and abroad, resurfaced and persisted for years. In those years, Hundreds of orphans came to the country, both from Yemen and from Europe, but the harsh complaints about the loss of children caused the loss of the people of Yemen, the East, and the Balkans. Where, however, is the truth buried? And is there anyone who is trying to bury it? New archives and documents, a documentary film that was shown here in the 80s, and insights from those who are still studying the parasha that does not give a solution. A national parasha, not an empty one, a special edition.

1:26If you go to Wizo, They told her, there are children like this. That's what my mother did. Like a puppy. And if the child dies, don't worry about bringing the parents to the cemetery or giving them a death certificate. It can't be such a case that everyone will die. It can't be. This is the father's picture. He was a young man. But the situation, everything is messed up. You can't ignore all this information. You see, it's a huge blow to the country. Saadia lives at the crossroads. There are thousands like him.

2:54And for these reasons, Ruti and her friends learn the ways of teaching and education in a guided course in which there is order, cleanliness, soundness, and above all, light and joy. And Saadia, who is seen in brightness, in gloom, in radiance, Saadia far from light. In the name of the world of light, Ruti descends to Saadia, to the dark world of the past. Ruti gives light to Saadia. She raises him to her level. She brings him into her world. and it will also be a light for Saadia. This is prosperity. Oriental Saadia has entered the halo of the light of the Western world. The profession of the 1950s, established in its unique way for a better culture, has a comprehensive video, a gezani video. The time has come to understand, because the thousands of Arabs who are wandering in the desert and in the desolate places, this is the people of the State of Israel. And we're likely to get lost in it if we don't get lost in it. On the background of such a worldview, it's possible to understand, perhaps, what happened to the children of Aliyah from Yemen who were lost to their parents. You know, the children start, you know, the Kushim and that. I asked my mother, so she explained to me that she couldn't bring the children. The mother went to WIZO.

4:18And they told her, there are children like this. That's what my mother did. Like a dog. You'll go, and I'll take care of you. In 1949, the country was in crisis. Israel took in tens of thousands of Yemeni refugees in search of food, and the conditions were difficult. Inequality, overcrowding in camps, lack of language, and lack of medical facilities. The lives of the most important people from Tel Aviv were a little less important compared to the refugees from Yemen. There was no record of the names of the sick children, and of the hundreds of Yemeni parents who came to visit their children, they said he was dead. No child, no burial, and no grave to mourn for him. Some of them died; many of them survived. You took children from the orphanages, children that you defined as sick, right? And the parents defined them as healthy and complete. Who asked you to take them from the orphanages? The parents didn't ask you to take them from them.

5:25That's right. They will be buried in the grave. Have you ever seen a child die in the grave? A sick child in the grave dies? Have you ever seen such a thing? Tell me one of these hundreds. I don't want to answer that question. I don't want to answer that question. I don't want to answer that question. One fact is undisputed. More than 800 children are considered great parents. The question is, where are they? Now, also in the second generation, recognition is intensifying that the state didn't do enough to keep the children. Families don't need to be researchers. From now on, the state is the one that needs to provide answers. This is all a lie. This is all a lie. In the 1950s, there was no law on adoption. Good and bad are the owners of adoption, and babies were slaughtered in non-compliant ways. Haaretz, who investigated the matter, wrote, "Families are going to the black market to adopt a child. This is mainly due to the desire to implant, as much as possible, the hopes of adoption. Ashkenazis want to adopt bright children but are forced to take care of those in the countryside, simply because that's what they have." Where did you get mom?

6:42I'm sorry. The story of Uri Wachtel is revealed from a different perspective. A talented Yemeni boy, a man of no particular identity, against a Yemeni family that received a notice of a dead child and did not stop looking for him. This whole village was Yemeni. The houses were Yemeni. So what does a Yemeni do in a Yemeni family? One of the women who worked at the UN, they had a housekeeper, they had a housekeeper, I went there. All their neighbors who saw me said, "You're not Uri's sister. You're not Uri's sister." And from this chaos and the worldview of the institution, almost a thousand stories were lost. The reason for kidnapping the babies was when the families were given emergency orders for the dead babies. A 53-year-old girl, in August, in a hospital in Rambam, they said she was dead. But I got three emergency orders for her. Do I get documents from the state that she's alive? And from another side that says she's dead, I get some kind of fake photo.

8:04Three committees voted to remove the disabled children. In 1967, the Beholul-Minkowski Committee examined the disappearance of 342 children. In 1986, the Broer Committee, under Judge Moshe Shalgi, reviewed the cases and the number of victims increased to 505. In 1995, the National Research Committee convened, and more than 800 families submitted their cases. 450 of these were new cases. Most of the children died, so what was the first decision? They continue to make fun of us. I want to know where the children are buried, if they really died. Someone can claim that this is a grave, without a name, that this is a solution to a family that has been carrying on for 40-45 years, that this is the end of suffering, and that the child has been convinced that he has been killed. In 1986, Arnon Navot, Chief of Staff in the Israeli police, received a letter from Shimon Peres to investigate the incident in order to establish a creative foundation. Navot and Anaske dismissed him, and his work was over. I can say from the inside that this issue has not been investigated. I would have had to investigate it, and I cannot investigate it as it should be. Here, for example, a grave that says, here is a Yemeni tomb.

9:21Why didn't they make an effort at the same time to try to reach the same confidence that was lost here? The harsh criticism led the government to establish the Shalgi Committee. Its conclusions are similar to the conclusions of the first committee. To this day, I have not seen a single opinion that showed such things. That's right, said Judge Shalgi. In those days, the government was sometimes active, but between now and then, there was an organic connection to kidnapping children, which was very far away. Judge Shalgi laughed like she laughed at the police. It's the same thing. This is a tour. They are experts in tours. The events are slow. On Friday, 1994, Rabbi Uzi Meshulam opened in a violent way and ordered the search of the children's shelter. He fortified his home with bags of sand and stones, and next to him, a group of soldiers hid weapons.

10:25This is just self-defense, but this self-defense will quickly turn into an attack. You can see here a little bit of the power of the same group from Kano Ali. Sir, you should take these documents and put them there with you in Hatzor HaGlilit or in Herzliya, wherever you film. Put a little bit for the people there. What did you take? Exactly what our children took. What affected the feeling is new testimonies from the members of the committee. I used to take two or three babies. They used to take me to the hospital, to the hospital. We used to leave the babies healthy and well. The next day I would take them and they would ask me, "Yes, where are the babies?" They would say that they died. "What do you mean they died? But they were healthy. There was nothing wrong with them." Today they say that they died. That's not true. That's not true. They were sent to study. After the difficult events, the National Investigation Committee was established, led by Supreme Judge Yehuda Cohen and Judge Kedmi. The committee investigated thousands of cases over seven years.

11:30The activities to expose the truth turned into activism. The Mishkan Ohalim group opened graves at night. The activities to expose the truth turned into activism. The Mishkan Ohalim group opened graves at night. Can you understand their pain? For the families? I hear it endlessly. But after 40 years, this pain is gone. After 40 years, no. And after 40 years, I would have wanted my child to have a good education and a good upbringing. Yes, that's what I would have felt. Can you understand their pain? For the families? I hear it endlessly. But after 40 years, this pain is gone. After 40 years, no. And after 40 years, I would have wanted my child to have a good education and a good upbringing. Yes, that's what I would have felt.

12:41Between Brera, Professor Is and the people of the pathological machine join in the search for remains in the open graves. They find remains in seven graves. One of the remains fits one family, and from here they found in the National Research Committee that everything is connected. And in each of the graves, there are seven missing babies. A month ago, I went to the hospital. When the doctor came to me, he asked me if I had anything in common with my family. I said, I don't know. He asked, what do you mean? I said, I don't have a family. I'm brave. I don't belong to anyone. I don't know who I am. If you want to know the truth, The brave children reached the age of 20. Around the meeting, the expectation arose that the children of Teman Ha'avudim would come in large numbers. In fact, they appeared in small numbers. Tzila Levin found a clue. Tziona Heyman says that Yigal Allon brought her a gift to her parents. Adina, who is Miriam Shuker, knows that her biological parents forced her. But at that time, David Shuker's father did not give up. He also looked for her through the media.

13:55Even though the state authorities knew that the father was looking for his daughter, they did not find out that the girl was alive. Only after a private investigation and an intervention in the court did the father and daughter manage to meet. You call Miriam every day, right? The dispute escalated through the media. In 1994, three research programs presented a different truth. In fact, they said, the children were kidnapped. Michal Limor, on Channel 10, killed doctors in pregnancies. A second report by Yarin Kimor found that it was not a terrorist attack, but a simple robbery, a corporate robbery, and an explosion in the new buildings. Seven years of research ended in 2001, and the National Research Institute did not find a reasonable basis for the claim.

15:15For Shlomo Ba'agali, whose son was separated from him in 1951, the National Research Institute does not provide a solution. Everyone died. At least three died. In Pardesia, all the children died. In Rosh Ha'Ayin, everyone died. In the summary letters that were sent to hundreds of families, the families return. The committee does not have any information that can determine the cause of death, the expiration date, and the place of burial. And at the end of the letter, the committee participates in mourning the family. Give me back my daughter! Give me back my daughter! You took my daughter and I left her? Is that legal? According to the committee's findings, 89 children are missing and there is no hope for them. Regarding the committee's signature, there is a possibility that the babies will be transferred to other families in the form of a transfer for adoption. An interesting concept. Compared to the rare cases of adoption without the permission of the parents, the committee determined that they were informed of human errors and management errors. They will never know, except for me. That's what will happen later on.

16:24At the age of 40, because of a nosebleed, Gil Greenbaum's life changed. And for family reasons, his family is close. In Ilana's eyes, he's a brave boy. You may hear, but you're not the same, and you're a moron, and they're bright. The sentence that was thrown at Akrai at the party turned out to be the truth. Gil was killed by a group of Holocaust survivors from Poland who were children's victims. More than ten years ago, at the age of 43, Gil first met his biological mother. First they gave him some kind of syringe. And then, when he was born, they said, "Oh, the child is dead." New organizations of the second generation of truth-seekers were engaged in a struggle to expose the protocols of the research committees. What will happen in a few minutes is that every person will be able to reach 400,000 tables in which there is all the information that the Israeli government has, and it is now possible to wait for the children's fate. As expected, the disclosure of the protocols did not include any new facts. The committee dismissed that most of the children were missing, but the question of how long the delay in the time of truth was delayed.

17:51...and the division with the committee in the necessary steps. We know that the committee was involved in the issue of the children's and infants' hospitals, of WIZO, of Na'amat, of Omna, of the Eastern Workers. The committee did not insist on them receiving all the material so that they would give the data. How many children do we have there in practice? How many children have been transferred to Omna families? These are data that we were supposed to receive in order to solve this issue and this question. Since the age of 61, the struggle is increasing. A week ago, another committee was opened, a special parliamentary committee, to investigate the truth about the disappearance of Yemenite children. At the same time, a genetic cycle of families and parents was opened. From the moment I raised the issue to the public daily, other families understood that they are part of this story, and they belong to the Teiman, Mizrah, and Balkan children's section. And I emphasize Mizrah and Balkan. The next step is to open all the graves and compare the DNA in the graves to the DNA of the families. The death of the Teiman, Mizrah, and Balkan children's section is a bloody section and big enough for me to forget.

18:59This is not a sheker. This is not a sheker. The more I see this, the worse it is. This is not a sheker. This is not a sheker. Everything they hear is shtuyot. Shtuyot. Now, to the first investigative film, the investigation that was broadcast here on the first channel already in 1986. At that time, after the first investigative committee, it was revealed that children were indeed kidnapped, and the division is only if they were found not far away, if they were found or left outside, and how many children were connected to this cell. The film's producers, Vered Berman and Roni Sarnat, went into a deep investigation into the sisters and doctors, the people of the research committees and the hospitals, police records, WIZO institutions, and the insurance company, children who grew up and parents who got old, graves, and names. Their version today is different from what was accepted. And so they found one Yemeni girl who was found and even met her biological family. But the questions were open. Even the DNA technology was in its infancy.

20:09These are the facts in this film, and right after it, we will be here with what is known to this day, and with additional research committees that were established afterward, and with the criticism of their work. Here is a video of Vered Berman and Roni Sarnat, a portion of Yaldei Teiman. This is what I remember, and I remember that they gave me his word. That was his word. In 1948, on the 8th of December, they said he was dead. That's what they told me. And we said, we'll come and talk to him for the longest time. We said, okay. When we came back, when we came back, when we went to open the window, he didn't listen. He died. He died. I was in the Ministry of Interior. According to my ID card, he was alive.

21:29My teachers and my friends, if we are convinced that such a portion can be removed from the history board without paying a price, my friends, I am wrong. We are facing challenges that have never been faced by any other country in the world. We have to take a step up, a big step, from the existence of the Yetzer Hara in the world. We have to build towers, a big step, from the settled land. The Jews of Yemen, taught by persecutions and suffering, waited for their salvation for 2,000 years. Then, when the days of the Messiah were over, thousands of them began to flee from desolate and deserted villages, to go to mountains and deserts, and their destination was the city of Aden, the seat of the British throne. The journey in the desert, sometimes for weeks and months, was short-lived.

22:41Between 5 to 8 out of every 10 babies that were born in Yemen died near birth. Dr. Abraham Sternberg tells in his book, "In This Human Sea," many bright white spots appeared. When we approached, we saw low levels, and on them, dead bodies that were not enough to bring them to the grave of Israel. This image reflects more than anything the price that this aliyah paid, which is not in its own right, on its way to Israel. To the camp of Chushot and Ohalim Aluzah, the camp of Geula, 15 kilometers away from the city of Aden, the refugees arrived. Hungry people, without a voice, given to diseases and disasters, and without respect for their parents. Here, the people of the Joint decided to help them, the American Jewish Joint Distribution Committee, and accompanied them with food, clothing, and medicines.

23:46I arrived in Aden in the summer of 1949. At that time, there were 14,000 people in the camp, in a place that was actually intended for 200 people. Most of the Yemeni soldiers suffered from high fever, from dizziness, from severe eye pain. Most of the children who came to us at the beginning disappeared because, when they came to us, they were already in a state of depression. We didn't have any means of examination. There was no lab; there was no real medical equipment. I would give shots to dozens of children in one go because there was no time to even save the first shot that was in our hands. The medical team was the smallest, and we served more as a religious society than as a medical team. The heat was unbearable. For them, they called Aden the "white human grave." The Imam of Teiman said that every Jewish orphan under the age of maturity would be buried. In the camp near Aden, 600 orphans were buried, whose graves were spread over their heads.

25:05Already here, in the camps of Geula, their descendants of 17 children have worked, and the public committee will ask them to wait for the day to come. In Israel, a decision was made on the expulsion of the Jews of Teiman and their aliyah to Eretz Yisrael. He began a journey with the political authorities on the issue of Israel. And in the meantime, thousands of refugees continue to come from day to day. The exact number is unknown. There was a meeting in which Ben-Gurion invited, as Prime Minister, the members of the Jewish Joint Distribution Committee and the Jewish Agency. I participated in this meeting in a position that I then filled as a member of the Prime Minister's office. And Ben-Gurion asked me how many Jews are left in Yemen. I told him that I think that there are about 15,000 left there. And the people said that 15,000 we accept on our own, to remove all of them and to support their release. After that, I told Ben-Gurion that I know that there are about 45,000 to 50,000. And he said to me, well, you said 15,000 so that they would clear the matter. They will start with 15,000 and will finish until the end.

26:16In the summer of 1949, a series of attacks began on the ships that were left in the Land of Israel. From the 18th of May 1949 until the end of 1950, 50,000 Yemeni Jews came to Israel. The Jews were brought to Israel in three planes, which flew and landed every day, and in total flew close to 450 planes. On the day of David Ben-Gurion's death, no financial question and financial difficulty could stop him. The price of the operation of the Four Commandments reached $40 million. We arrived in 1949 in Israel, to Rishon. Rishon. Where was Miriam born? In Rishon. What happened? After she was born, did she come to you? After she was born, where was she? She was with the children. Did you know all about it? Yes, with the children. She used to cry all the time. She used to cry all the time. She used to cry all the time. She used to cry all the time. She used to cry all the time. She used to cry all the time. She used to cry all the time. She used to cry all the time. She used to cry all the time.

27:44I saw a video about the Yemeni uprising, and I saw in what condition these poor children arrived. Soon I knew, this was my next job. It was the winter of 1949, the first time it snowed. The temperature was below zero. First of all, I found a shelter there with about 30 babies in a very difficult situation, with one little sister, maybe 17, who had to take care of 30 little ones. Of course, there were mostly mothers who helped a little, but mothers who didn't know modern medicine or modern tools, so that wasn't a great help either. And there were no medicines. Everything that sick children need—calcium, vitamins, pills—there was nothing. I talked to the doctor. He says he can't help them, only through hospitals, and there's not enough space for everyone in hospitals.

28:52I saw my daughter. Every time I saw her like this, they told me, "No, you can't eat like this." They told me, "No, you can't eat like this." I didn't want to, so they told me to stay a week. A week, I don't know, I don't want to eat like this. I told them, "No, you can't eat like this." I told them, "No, you can't." No, I also saw her. They took her child, just to look at her and take her back. I took her in, and they said, no, you can't take her in until you get permission from the chief physician. What happened to her? Why was she in the hospital? I know, they said she was sick; I know what they said. So it was a hospital for breast cancer patients, right? No, I don't know. There were children; I didn't know they were...

29:52The next day I arrive, and the nurse tells me that at night a very, very sick baby was brought into the bed. She didn't even see who brought her. They left her because they searched in the morning to find out who she was. No one came to visit her. No one was interested in her anymore. And so it went on for hours, maybe even a day or two. And we saw that she was taken to the hospital very quickly. It took a long time at the hospital, and we really didn't think much, until suddenly she was released with a case with no hope. We have to give Amita a case with hope. And she came back like these characters, and no one was interested in her. We were very upset. I talked to the children's doctor. What do you do in such a case? She had a 40-degree fever. She had another incurable disease. She had malaria. She had other very serious problems. The children's doctor looks at her and says, look, Rebbetzin, if she broke the three new standards, it's not fair.

31:19to stop the treatment. So he said, maybe you should call her to the roof and take care of her at home with all the means. I don't believe she's dead. I was late, I didn't get any response. In the end, I went there. The girl was already gone, and a woman came to take her. You asked who? Who took her? I asked. I asked which woman. She said a woman came to take her. You don't know where? I don't know where. And since then you haven't seen her? Since then I haven't seen her. I started looking for her there. Then I went to the police. I found out. They said, if she comes back, we'll kill her. Of course, we went to the police station and we found out, and she was under the custody of Aliyat Noar. As a child, she was actually an orphan. and I took her to my children's doctor, who also raised the son. And when I brought her, she also had dysentery. I brought her in a terrible mess on one Shabbat. So he said, I'll be at the clinic tomorrow morning. Why are you bringing her here? There are so many cases there. I said, yes, but...

32:40If she really doesn't have anyone, and if she lives, I want to adopt her. So he almost fell. He had to sit down. He says, "There are no restrictions. And it's not possible. She can't develop normally anymore. She lost too much..." all these new things that are alive, we don't even know how old they are. You will be destroyed, and that leads to all kinds of things, even to stupidity. Do you want to die? I didn't know that you wanted to die. I said, I never wanted to die. I have a natural son of my own. But in this case, it's something else. And... He said, "I have a child for adoption, blonde, with blue eyes, and she's single. She has millionaire parents, and I'll give her to you. I know you're a good woman, and I trust you can adopt her." I said, "I imagine you're standing in line for her." So he said, "Of course, I have. They're already after me." I said, "And who's going to stand in line for this little girl?"

33:53When I opened the door, I saw that there was a man with a knife in his hand. He was holding a knife in his hand. He was holding a knife in his hand. When I opened the door, I saw a man with a knife in his hand. He was holding a knife in his hand. He was holding a knife in his hand. He was holding a knife in his hand. He was holding a knife in his hand. I was very sad. I was very sad. I was very sad. I didn't want to live with the feeling that maybe some mother cried over her child and didn't know where she was. I didn't want to live on my own. Maybe there was so much disorder and lack of organization from all the crowds that came. It was impossible to control it.

34:55So I went to look for the parents, and for days and nights I searched in the camp of Olim, in Kiryat, if there was a trace of it. And I managed to find the family. A family with very, very big problems, and that had nothing to do with the girl. Ruth found Tamar. The court in Haifa is in trial. Tamar's parents, who were forced to leave, did not object. On August 5, 1952, Tamar was found guilty. On the other hand, Miriam, David Zucker's daughter, was arrested for not knowing her parents at the Tel Aviv Criminal Court in 1953. Mr. Zucker, did you file a lawsuit against the girl? No, I didn't. They didn't ask you? They didn't. and you were called to a court of law. A court of law that we didn't know about. I wasn't there at the time. In 1967, in a newspaper for women, there was a publication by Ruth Zucker, Ima of Ruth Zucker. They showed a picture of the girl and we saw a portrait of her.

36:12Like Chaim Shuker, another 20 families were contacted, claiming Tamar was their daughter. In 1963, Harut discovered the story of Imutz in a novel. The book was the source of the rumors about Yemeni children who were kidnapped by the Ashkenazim. It was like that, they would take them to children who were not born yet; they would kidnap them. Who kidnapped them? What? Who kidnapped them? The Ashkenazim in the hospital. The sisters. So you don't touch one another. In 1966, evacuation troops were sent to some of the children who were kidnapped in the 1950s. The parents who received the troops were warned that if the authorities sent evacuation troops, the children would survive. The parents screamed; the media exposed; the Knesset condemned.

37:27In January 1967, the Minister of Justice and the Minister of Police appointed the Investigation Committee, led by Judge Yosef Bahalul, a private from Hezbollah, and Rav Pakad Reuven Minkowski, from Hamatei Ha'artzi. In the letter, it was said, the committee was assigned to investigate the claims related to the children from the Olim camps in the years 1949-51 and their origins. The investigation committee is cooperating with the public committee that was established with the initiative of the right wing and the leadership of a lawyer living here. We were convinced that this was a case of miscarriages. We then feared that they really behaved in a misguided manner, sold children, or transferred children to foreign hands, knowing that they had parents. Here, in these boxes, at the bottom of the cabinet, the hidden material of the committee's collection is stored.

38:39Eighteen years after the arrival of the Yemenites to Israel, a dozen police officers began to search for records of victims, to restore events, to search for medical records, to identify victims and caregivers, to check all the children's records that were found in Israel. Some of the records were found, some were lost over the years. In March 1968, After a complex process that took a year and three months, the committee's researchers succeeded in solving the problem. Out of 342 cases of child abuse, there are 316 children who died. Four children are alive, two of them are disabled, and 22 children are still missing. Now, if in this kind of hard work, we didn't encounter any case where there was a threat of a criminal act, and we didn't encounter any case where a child didn't pass the trial from hand to hand, from the orphanage or from the hospital to new parents, then it's clear that there wasn't a phenomenon of kidnapping children here. There wasn't a phenomenon of murder here.

40:00This is the Yemeni cemetery of Ein Shemer. The parents have not seen the bodies of the children and have not been buried in the cemetery. Therefore, it is difficult for them to believe that their children are buried here. This grave is not visible. This grave is not visible. This grave is not visible. Tzadok, the gravedigger, claims that there are more than 70 undiscovered graves in the place. The land in the center of the graves has fallen, and there is no longer a possibility to identify the remains. The research committee discovered in the records of Kabran Aricha, may his memory be blessed, the names of 25 Yemeni children buried here. The Interior Ministry did not intend to update his records according to the records of the victims, and therefore, until today, the parents continue to receive notifications from the voter for their children. How do you know he didn't die?

41:24I don't know what happened. The body wasn't returned to us. It went straight to the cemetery as far as I remember. Look, I told you about it. Every day, between six and eight bodies came to us, both from the elderly and the children. It was as if it were a horror movie. It was something terrible. But it wasn't a joke. They came in such a hurry that they disappeared like ghosts. Why didn't you pay attention? I saw this claim. I don't think anyone could open it. There's a law. I don't know what happened. The body wasn't returned to us. It went straight to the cemetery as far as I remember. Look, I told you about it. Every day, between six and eight bodies came to us, both from the elderly and the children. It was as if it were a horror movie. It was something terrible. But it wasn't a joke. They came in such a hurry that they disappeared like ghosts. Why didn't you pay attention? I saw this claim. I don't think anyone could open it. There's a law. It's not the committee. We don't clean up graves. The parents existed. It's about parents who enjoyed themselves. The committee has its own conclusions, with the names, with the places of burial, and so on. If a parent was interested in doing something else, it was his right to come to court and say what he wanted to say and demand the opening of the grave. There is also a legal problem.

42:39It's a serious problem. They don't just open a door. If you say that 316 children or close to 400 died at the same time, does that seem reasonable to you? It seems reasonable to me. I worked there for half a year, and in half a year, many died. I can't count the number, but this number definitely seems reasonable to me because the hospital continued to operate even after I left. The establishment of the hospital in Rosh Ha'ayin saved lives? I have no doubt. For me, this is one of the beautiful moments in my work as a doctor. There, we did real medical work. There was a war with death. We saved many lives, but we also lost many children. But because of the collapse of the parents, they didn't always worry about their children.

43:51and I say, not always. In many cases, they didn't care to inform the parents about what was going on. And if the child died, they didn't care to bring the parents to the cemetery or to give them a death certificate. The mass exodus of 1949 hit a small village of 600,000 residents. The lack of food, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, clothing, Within three years, the number of residents in the country increased by a third. In 1949, a quarter of a million people from all over the country came to the country. In the areas of the British military camps, the towns of Ohalim were occupied. Yerahmiel Yosef Tal, head of the reception section of the company, saw a catastrophe in the camps of Ohalim. Discussions on stopping the aliyah were held in secret. Within this confusion, 50,000 people from Teiman arrived.

45:12And now they tumble out, hungry, often airsick, looking like creatures from the Arabian Nights. It's a colorful sight, but scarcely a pretty one. Yet you watch and wonder. you walk among them, and you ponder. How much work, how much skilled effort will be needed to bridge the centuries, to take these representatives of the Middle Ages and assimilate them into a progressive Western civilization? This relationship may explain why, when the children were killed, the parents were not allowed to see their children's bodies or receive official information about their disappearance. And so today, they do not believe because their children were indeed killed and buried. For Shalom Kriti, may his memory be blessed, there is no grave. Because according to the record, there were 14 days from when he was killed. Children up to the age of 30 days were buried in a communal grave. However, Shalom was 32 days old at the time of his death.

46:32The DASAN hospital in Khmelnytskyi wrote down the date of his death, because there were 14 days from his death. The fact is that there is no grave and no traces of critical peace documents. His sister, Ilana Weiss, woke up thinking that peace was lost, and that the number was 7138. His serial number in the hospital is part of the identity number of her brother who was killed. One evening, a cousin calls me, his name is Yechiel Shevach, and says, "Listen, there is a Yemeni girl who claims that you are the one who was killed. Come get her off me, because she is bothering me, and call me, you will see what she really wants." In short, she came in here. I expected to see someone who looked like me, my sister, and she didn't seem like me at all, that's a plus. And secondly, she started to show me all kinds of documents, and she said, when I asked her how she got them, she said, "I don't want to tell you exactly, but I managed to get a number, 7138, some random number, that this number connected to me." I said, "How did this number connect to me?"

47:43She says that 7138 is a decision on the basis of the month of October, 1949, that we live in the State of Israel. We live in the State of Israel. The only possibility that exists for them is a number of 056. That is, 056 plus 7138 is my number, and that's how it came to me. She started crying; she wanted to see her son. At the end of the day, I told her, maybe you should leave me, go and do your legal work, go to the Ministry of Justice, but you should leave us. So I told her, don't leave me. Thank you very much for raising him. The number 7138 is an internal number of the hospital, and between it and the ID number there is no and cannot be any connection. The introduction that she chose to add to this number is only a reading introduction; it has no meaning. In July 1985, Ilana Weiss and her mother Sarah Aharon were arrested by the High Court of Justice against the Ministry of the Interior, Sa'ad's arrest for possession of the Kadisha society, and more.

49:08The implementation center has found that a child named Shalom Kriti is not talented. The state administration has also found that the citizen, Yechiel Shayevitz, is not talented. By the way, Yechiel Shayevitz is a middle child in the Shayevitz family, and not a big brother or a little sister. Despite this, the media continued to focus on Ilana Weiss's version. Personally, this matter may not bother me much, but the problem is that I did not see the people around me. And the people around me are my mother and the children. And the suffering they went through is tremendous. My eldest daughter didn't want to go to school. I'm talking about the stage after it was published in one of the newspapers, the newspaper with my name on it. She didn't want to go to school, and she cried. And I had to sit every evening and explain to her that even though I was Yemeni, I would still be her father. And my mother certainly took it to heart, and I understand that she took it to heart. Because one day in the city they tell my wife, you gave birth to a child. It's not pleasant. It's not pleasant for anyone. We, in fact, are mainly... Dohmankovsky, if I take him as he is, and I don't investigate more than what was written, he clearly stated that four brave men, 22 great men, the Lord of the world,

50:32The State of Israel, since the 1950s, knew that these children were abused, as if they had received a different result. When the Institute of Research was established in 1968, it claimed that they were abused. If he hadn't established the Public Committee until today, he couldn't have forgotten about them. The good thing about the state is that it had to give answers to those parents. So if Dov Minkoff is really the "rock of the face," and is also accepted by the state, then what did the state do to what those 22 children were exposed to? My personal name is Moshe. The name of my family is Nagar. Roshan Adjar is one of the 22 wonderful children. He returned in an ambulance from Tel Hashomer Hospital to the camp and accidentally came to Ein Shemer instead of the Pardesiyah camp. Since then, they have worked together. At the end of this, the Public Committee for the Discovery of Yemeni Children raised all the complaints about child abuse since 1949.

51:36Although in 1967 the Public Committee received the documents of the Research Committee, today it asks to review and re-examine the Mibreshit Parashah. The question of 22 children who were killed is open. The Research Committee raised the question to the authorities in favor of the names that were used in the record of the deceased from Yemen. When we had to write down the names of the patients, we had a hard time writing them down, and there were many copies. We also sent children without documentation, because they were in ambulances, and it was impossible later to know which child belonged to whom. And when they were discovered as twins, there was no way to tell the parents, because we didn't know who the parents were. Look, this is a time when it's hard to believe. Night after night, people come, people get sick, and we try to do everything we can. But it's natural that there was such a mess. We sent, for example, two or three children with a list. They got two. After a little while, they wanted to return them.

52:36But the driver, because he saw that his sister was responsible not to bring him and his mother, drove himself to another hospital. So he said, "Rambam, you can go to Rothschild or some other hospital." And that's where he convinced him. She didn't have a letter of invitation for the child. The letter of invitation was for two or three in one room. And she would tell herself, ask for the name, whether orally or in writing, if the writing was signed correctly. She would send it, and in the end I arranged for everyone, two here, one there, whether it was in the letter or not in the letter. The 600 orphans who were killed in Aden were captured by the Aliyat Hanoar institutions. It was also here that the names of the children and their identities were found. Aliyat Hanoar usually takes care of older children. It was established in the early 1950s to help the orphans. It turns out that the Aliyat Hanoar institution Ramat Hadassah also captured orphans in the early 1950s.

53:37None of the nurses remember this, except for Genia, the nurse who took 13 shots. They came to Ramat Hadassah around 1951. It was winter. We didn't even have shoes for them. From the age of three to seven, there were children. We didn't know their names, and we didn't know... How do you call each other? There were such little ones who could hardly speak. One girl, we didn't know how to call her, so we gave her the name Hadassah. To give them a little bit of joy, we decided, without knowing, for each one to make a kind of birthday. But after that, at least something will be clear, she will be happy. However, even the documents that arrived were useless. It turns out that to this day, there are children who do not know their real names. It is possible that their parents are alive and there is no way to meet them. Once they were looking for Yaakov Madmon here. And Yaakov Madmon is not on our list. And the man, who was actually a boy, about 15 years old, was shocked that his brother was here.

55:01And we said, we don't have a list. He didn't accept it. He went out to the children to have dinner, and after a few minutes, he came in joy and said, "Here is this child." And then we found out that the child we have is called Yisrael Yisrael, and in his documents there are no other names, only Yisrael Yisrael. I have a document here, but I also heard the names of my brothers, who are older than me. And they also told me, I didn't have a name, they asked me what my name was, Yisrael Yisrael. The research committee, in its search after the children, went through the archives of 25 institutions that were related to the capture of the Yemenite children. Only one place was not verified, the Aliyat Hanoar institutions. The assumption was that to these institutions came only older children. And so, when the camps were destroyed, Ein Shemer, Atlit, Rosh Ha'Ayin, and so on, children were born there who didn't know who their parents were. From above, at their own expense. It depends on the age. If they were children until the age of three, they moved to all kinds of places that I don't know about. But from the age of three and above, they moved to Netanya.

56:15And then also to Ramat Hadassah. So, you remember the children who were passed on to you from the camps? I remember, yes. I remember the number of children. Are they orphans? Absolutely, yes. These are the 13 graves of Ramat Hadassah, from which we managed to bury only Rachel and Na'ama. Rachel and Na'ama came to Kibbutz Kfar HaKhoresh after the Ramat Hadassah Institute asked the kibbutzim to help in capturing the graves. The name of Na'ama is Shubash. In the documents of Aliyat Hanoar, she appears as No'omi Tan'ami or Na'ama Musa Said or Saadia Na'ama. The true name of Na'ama Tan'ami was only discovered when her older brother Zechariah started looking for her. Na'ama's mother came to Ramat Hadassah and chose her from all the children. This is despite the minor characteristics that the kibbutz describes in this book. I simply found her in her eyes, says Na'ama. She praised me and said, I want her. I'm not a supporter, and she didn't have the courage to support me. She left all my identity, my name, and she didn't even urge me; she didn't ask me to call her mother, she didn't encourage me to do that.

57:30Twenty-two children were left without food. This space is the source of the evils, the sins, and the vices. You wrote a book, and in this book, Netivot Teiman veTzion, you point out that there was a prostitute who was involved in kidnapping children, right? You write that in those days when I was at the camp, children and many children were kidnapped, that it was a heart-breaking event. And you even point out that this organization tried to take away the knowledge from the parents, to abduct and kidnap children. It included different factors: the doctor, the nurse, the driver, and the person who bought the poor child. But did you have evidence that there were doctors there, sisters who kidnapped you? I didn't say I had evidence.

58:51i said, according to my tears, when they asked me who killed him, they said, these are the drivers, this is the driver, and this is the patient. We'll take him to the hospital, we'll take him to the orphanage. But this is actually another... When they came down from the air, they arranged this matter. That is, those who did it were already prepared. I can't be sure. Regarding those people who claim to have done sins, for example, Avraham or Wadi, I argue that these things cannot remain in the past, they are not studied. And there are two categories here. Either that person is right, and then the action is halachic, or that person has collected facts, collected things, and even then they have to investigate him and put him to trial. But it is not possible that the thing remains open. In my opinion, it is imaginary. They simply don't know which child belonged to whom when they were born. After the children were born in all the cities and hospitals, they didn't know who belonged to whom. And these parents, again, didn't know where to kidnap.

1:00:01There were cases in which children were left behind. There were cases in which children were left behind in the children's room, and there were instances where, in the children's room, you had to wear shoes. The child was already standing, which was something that wasn't supposed to be. And when they gathered, in the meantime, the parents got a schedule to sit down with the child. They gathered at the Pardessiyah in Shemer, they gathered a few children, they were already grown up, and I remember that on Shabbat, specifically on Shabbat, in order to get the parents in place, we went to Tarshicha, in the vicinity of Haifa. We took with us a social worker who speaks Yemeni. Gafir came with us. He was one of the managers of the camp. And we came on Shabbat, when everyone left the Beit Knesset between 11 and 12, with the children, and they called out the name of their father. The father came with his mother, and the mother was in her room, and so on. They saw the boy injured, with his hand up, or his leg bent, or something. "No, that's not ours, we have another one. No, no, ours was small, and this one big, and all that." We came back with the same number of children as we did. No one was taken there. The parents didn't want to recognize them. The children also changed, they grew up, because if the mother could already be in the house for a month, and she was a woman, then she would say how long the boy wasn't in her hands.

1:01:27And the most mysterious document is from 1953, when babies were taken from hospitals and from children's homes. Dr. Yael from the Ministry of Health notes in his report to the Israeli police that at the Wizo Children's Hospital in Jerusalem, there are two children who have not been able to find their parents for two years: Yehya Yehuda and Yehya Zindan. We have the image of the child Shimon Nadav, who stayed at Wizo for three years, and it was not obvious that he was above his age. This is my Shimon. Yes? Do you know him? This is Shimon. Are you sure? Yes, I'm sure. Yes? Yes, I'm sure. Shimon was born, was admitted to a hospital, and from there he wandered between the different institutions until he arrived in Jerusalem. He spent three years there, a big boy among small children, until he found a talented family that agreed to take care of him. That family had four children of their own. Shimon's family was forced to go to a boarding school.

1:02:44His parents saw with beautiful eyes that she was the best in the institution and agreed on the treatment that was given to her. He was going with me, and I had already left; I was in Har Nof, I was in Har Nof. I said, well, he's going, enough of him. He was going, he said, listen, I'm happy to hear it, but they want to take him away. How do we bring him to the hospital? Because we're in the hospital. There are people in the neighborhood, in the village, in this beautiful village. You didn't see him all this time? I didn't see him. But he also came to Yerushalayim. I went to Ramle, and he... How many years did he stay in Yerushalayim?

1:04:03It's been three years. Three years. Until we entered the house. Until we entered the house. Until we entered the house. Until we entered the house. Until we entered the house. Until we entered the house. Until we entered the house. Until we entered the house. Until we entered the house. Maybe at the moment I came back, I didn't regret it, but I didn't agree to come back to a family that I didn't know. But today, according to all the stories about the Yemeni children, that they were kidnapped and they weren't found, and some of them were found, I understand their situation. In this document of Witzel, it is clear that the parents of Shimon Nadav were lost. The father of the talented family, like in the case of Ruth Zucker, was scared in his mind to find the parents. In his determination, he activated the police and the Ministry of Interior and asked to find out if anyone was receiving benefits with the help of Shimon Nadav's food supply. The efforts were successful, and the family was saved.

1:05:16And they really wanted to take him away from me. Do you believe me? They wanted to take him away from me. Of course. But I would have followed them. Why in Jerusalem? I couldn't. It's too far away. Why did they want to take him? Why? They think they're his parents. And I followed my son. But how many years have you not seen him? So if they wanted to, would they have taken him? I don't know. Because of my lack of knowledge of the depth of the Parashah, since the beginning of the years of the state, and until today, and despite the fact that I accept the findings of the Ballul Minkowski Foundation, but as mutual findings, as mutual conclusions, we have no evidence that there was a trade agreement. What we do have is evidence and an idea I don't know. Because of my lack of knowledge of the depth of the Parashah, since the beginning of the years of the state, and until today, and despite the fact that I accept the findings of the Balul Minkowski Foundation, but as mutual findings, as mutual conclusions, we have no evidence that there was a trade agreement. What we do have is evidence and an idea, that, for political reasons or out of fear of what the political forces will be, they didn't take the issue to heart, and never by an independent committee. I don't want to hurt the brave children any more than I already have. There are secrets there, one in the other.

1:06:30On one case that you and I know of, they wrote that the girl was raped as a law. And Minkowski continues, according to him and the committee, the father doesn't know that the girl is raped. So what is raped as a law? The investigation committee found that two girls were raped. Miriam, the daughter of David Shuker, passed from the hospital in Eitanim, returned to the camp of Rosh Ha'Ayin, where she spent a year, when she was registered as Miriam Sharabi. the institutions searched for the Sharabi family unsuccessfully. On the 26th of June, 1953, the House of Justice in Tel Aviv announced a discussion on the adoption of a child who had been kidnapped from Rosh HaAyin. David Shuker spread the rumored information in the newspaper. Thus, he did not get to see his daughter until today. In 1967, Tamar and her brother HaMoshe were kidnapped because their sister Rachel was missing in 1949. Here, too, it turns out that Rachel is brave as the law. The love is over. Tamar and Moshe did everything they could in order to find Rachel. They went to court, purchased private property, but to no avail. It turns out that your father signed, it seems, a marriage certificate. My father didn't understand anything. My father got married.

1:07:50with a woman. I suffered because my mother died. He said, my father, listen, so I told him, father, if he comes to you, if he messes with you in the beit knesset, bring her. He said, Biti, you suffer because your mother died. How do I know her? And if she goes to a better institution, we visit her every day. You can go if you want. And from that, I didn't know more. Now, why is it so important for you to meet her? After all, you heard that she's brave and she's fine, right? Listen, if she's brave enough to be in her life, and I want her to be in my life, it's just that we both have to understand and be brave enough to see that I have a sister. Did you ever look for your biological parents? No, and I wasn't interested in looking for them either. Because I think that a person who's good in life and doesn't need changes or wants what he has, I'm not looking for a change, I'm not looking for too many doubts about his past. And besides the fact that there was such harmony in the family, and I think that this practice was especially successful, in light of other cases that came to us and approached us and asked me to talk to all kinds of brave children who got into trouble, בין ההורים. So why invest in such a loving, warm, and secure framework that provides everything? So I didn't find any need to destroy on the one hand and change on the other.

1:08:59between them and the parents. So why invest in such a loving, warm, and secure framework that provides everything? So I didn't find any need to destroy on the one hand and change on the other. But if you knew that your mother-in-law was upset today or that she wanted to explain something to you, wouldn't you be willing to come and listen to her? No. Someone once tried, I think it could have been a case of child abuse or something, but the attempt is not to be repaid. And there is no right today to come and complain about new things that have arisen, a new framework that has arisen, and an ideal framework in my opinion. So let's wait a few more minutes, okay?

1:10:05Hello, hello. Nice to meet you. So let's wait a few more minutes, okay? What can I say? This is my father's picture. What can I say? This is my father's picture.

1:11:33He was young, but the situation was bad. What about your mother's picture? I don't have her picture because she died here. Where did she live? Here. My mother was in Haifa. I don't know about my mother's death. My mother died. After my mother's death, she died. I was with my father. I was in Herzliya in Shaviv. And you were taken to the police station because you were small. They said that I could deal with him. They wanted to take me too, but my father, my brother, said that if they took you, he wouldn't have any luck, he wouldn't have any rights at home. They would put someone on his side, so he took me with him. And you were taken to the police station. Rachel, do you know that you've been an orphan all these years? Yes, as far as I remember, I was 12 years old. My parents told me that I was an orphan, that I was in an institution in WIZO, in Jerusalem, and at the age of 5, the orphanage director went to the institution and looked for a child to adopt. He saw me sitting in the corner, a poor girl, and he said, "I want her," and he insisted on adopting me. And it was very, very hard for them to accept me.

1:12:52But they remembered and took me as a year of experience. And with all the decisions I made with them, they decided to take me. And in 1952, I was adopted. They kept it a secret. But at the age of 12, they told me that I was adopted. So it went on, life as it is today. At this moment, I'm really happy. In terms of love, from the bottom of my heart, to me, to my husband, to the children, in terms of education, I came to education, a few years of education, with a profession in hand, and everything is thanks to them. And I thank them for this moment until today, that it is only thanks to them that I have reached where I am today. Were you excited in recent days to meet? To tell you the truth, I didn't sleep at night. At home, it doesn't work as it should. But no one knew, except for my husband. And the parents who invented it knew about it. I kept it a secret. But yesterday evening, I couldn't take it anymore. I said to my husband, you know what, let's tell the kids. We got here. But at the moment, I'm not crying because I'm sad, I'm just very happy.

1:14:16And at this moment, I'm really happy that I arrived. Parashat Yaldei Teiman, kach b'shnat 1986. V'kach, gam pasku shalosh hava'adot, b'sach hakol, nevdiku al yedei kol hava'adot, elef shloshim u shloshah ha'alamuyot shel tinokot. 972 tinokot nefte'ru, 89 yeladim notru ne'edarim ad hayom. Chamisha tinokot nitgalu. Va'adat ha'chakirah ha'mamlachtit ha'acharonah, badkah yeladim she ne'elmu mitocham me'al shmonamot yeladim b'nei ha'edah ha'teymanit. V'hamaskanot brurot. Ein basis re'ayati le chatifat yeladim. Parashat Yaldei Teiman, kach b'shnat 1986. V'kach, gam pasku shalosh hava'adot, b'sach ha'kol, nevdeku al yedei kol hava'adot, elef shloshim u shloshah ha'almuyot shel tinokot. 972 tinokot nefteru, 89 yeladim notru ne'edarim ad hayom. Chamisha tinokot nitgalu. Va'adat ha'chakirah ha'mamlachtit ha'acharonah, badkah yeladim shene'elmu mitocham me'al shmonamot yeladim b'nei ha'edah ha'teimanit. V'hamaskanot brurot. Ein basis re'ayati lechatifat yeladim. But the disclosure of the protocols that were released to the public in recent weeks did not remove their knowledge of the second generation of the Yemenis, but on the contrary, the publication of the protocols in the testimonies of the doctors and the medical staff, and the relationship of the committee in the document to their testimony, increased the claim to suspicion. Yael Tzadok, the representative of the affected families, revisits the work of three research committees. Here is the conversation that took place this week with Yaor Amir Barmatz.

1:15:34This film was made in 1986. We see here hard pictures of a mess. Maybe your interpretation of everything that happened there is simply different. Look, I know the theory of the mess. But first of all, we need to remember that the state didn't start from nothing. When the country was established, there was a foundation here, among other foundations, of health institutions. The Rambam Hospital, for example, from which the most children were lost, was established during the mandate. There were decent facilities. This issue of their health situation, I have no doubt that children died. We are talking about those who were kidnapped. And they found them. They found them. One of them, even in a sophisticated way, through a line after the food cartons.

1:16:36then maybe it wouldn't have been so hard to find the children. In fact, we see here in the film, implementation as a law. Look, legitimate implementation, back then there was still no implementation law, but legitimate implementation, actually legal, is implementation in which the parent gives up on the child. In both cases that we saw here, I didn't see a written decision of the parents on the child. Do you see? I don't. We see a team of judges, and they write, we saw the innovators, the ones who want to innovate, and we are sure that they will be good parents, so we decide that the child will go to their parents. What about the biological parents? We see a situation where the biological parents cut off the connection, and there was no way to find them. Bi'ur, did they ask them? Did they find them? These mothers say they found the biological parents. Where is he? David Shuker is looking everywhere for his daughter. But he's drinking all over the country, looking for his daughter, and from behind his back, she's begging for help. Did someone bring him to court? Ask him, tell me, sir, do you want to beg your daughter for help? Even if there are children who have died in institutions, and the parents may have struggled to let them go, to visit them, after all, there was a mother here who said, "I've already been in an argument with the next child, and she didn't have the strength to go to Yerushalayim if she knew about it." So what?

1:17:57So what? After all, the conditions were so hard for the parents as well. The fact that the judge gave the stamp doesn't mean that it was right and correct. Tzvika Amir, for example, is an educated child who opened his ID card 20 years ago. And he found there, as far as possible, a violation on him. The violation is signed with a fingerprint. Tzvika Amir's mother knew how to read and write in French. If she wrote to her son, they would tell her, "OK, you let her go, so let me sign." She signed with her mother, whom she knew, in a letter. He found all kinds of strange things in the documentary. Tzvika Amiri found in his documentary a newspaper with the names of children who were intended for the documentary. I think in the newspaper there was something that the newlyweds certainly didn't read. And it said there, this child is a candidate for the documentary, this child is a candidate for the documentary, this child is a candidate for the documentary, this is the one who opposes us. The parents didn't see the newspaper. And the names of the children in this newspaper are the new names that were given to the children. Tzvika Amiri moved to the Omena Institute in Haifa, and from there to Imutz. His name was no longer known to the parents. He later found his mother, and it turned out that she was crying, and almost all of her was crying, and she was sitting in a single room next to the office of the camp manager. They thought she had fainted, and they put her in a mental hospital. He found her in a mental hospital.

1:19:22She didn't divorce him. So the judge gave her a get. He didn't ask her, are you willing to give up on your son? 1,000 children were lost. It was expected that 10, 20, at least 50 would come out. Only single people came out. Where are they? They have a great difficulty in taking this step of opening up the existence... and to find out who their biological family is. I understand. It's your interpretation. No, no, I'm in touch with experts. I'm in touch with experts who, some of them, yes, open, through us, the evidence, through brothers and sisters, and they do DNA tests to find the biological family, and I'm in touch with experts that, you know, they take one step forward, two steps back. It's hard for them, it's completely understandable. They don't need to expose the parasha. The state is the one that needs to say to the biological parents, what did you do with the children? What happened to the children? Because there are uncertainties here. There is no doubt, the committee did not find unlawful implementation. Because the committee, there are two things I have to say about this. First of all, the committee referred to the signature of the court as legal implementation.

1:20:31I'm divided on that. Some of the proofs are proofs that I call proofs in a document. And the judge of the Supreme Court, Zalman Shneur Chesin, said it, wrote it in one of the court documents, I think in 1955 he wrote it. Court documents, proofs are given day by day, I'm quoting you, day by day and week by week, in ways of a document and fiction. in the ways of fiction. Right, there was a black market for adoptions, not just for children. He's talking about something, about violent behavior that took place in that period. It's true that there was no adoption law then, but you weren't supposed to take someone else's child without going through a formal process. You can't ignore all this information. Look at what the committee is writing. Judge Maimon says to Judge Chana Gibori that many children from Rambam did not return to their parents. Judge Yehuda Cohen says, in the protocol, I'm quoting you from the protocol, we know of cases where doctors from certain hospitals...

1:21:37What is the degree of mortality? Did she die or was she alive? You can't leave your family in such a state of uncertainty. What's the interest of Judge Beit Mishpat Leon? What's the interest of him here, to run? It's not personal interest. It's some kind of defense against the state. It's some kind of desire to get the State of Israel out of this crisis in peace. But as soon as the State of Israel says thank you, right, there will be coup d'états, coup d'états. You see, it's a huge blow to the state. Three minutes after the Holocaust, a minute after the State of Israel was established as a place of refuge for all Jews, Jews are taking children from other Jews on a rampage. No one wants to thank you for that.

1:22:56And Prof. Boaz Sangero, an expert in criminal law, examined the last National Research Committee's report in legal terms. He claims that the committee did not come to investigate, but to convince the public in the office. Here is the idea that Amir Baram came up with. It's very disappointing, but the committee did not fulfill its role. From the first page, the committee, instead of presenting the findings first and then having a discussion and conclusions at the end, begins to convince us from the first page that everything was fine, that there was no administrative breach. The committee's response, especially with the claim of an administrative breach, made their lives easy. The committee writes the report like a court paper; that's why I wrote it in a legal way. So what was here, actually, a rescue?

1:23:59They didn't investigate, and they didn't do their job. There are a lot of places in the book that are clear, but the committee is not willing to clarify. It takes the reference from that period and bases its findings on it. We see violations in the dates between different documents, when the child died, violations regarding the cause of death, violations regarding the place of death, The committee is not afraid, even when under its nose, in the years of operation, at the end of the 2000s, they destroy the materials under the nose. The committee writes, in this context, it is appropriate to cite the fact, because with the beginning of the committee's work, the hospital was asked by Eliel Yafel to preserve the drawings. But unfortunately, a light blow from a certain leader, which is, by the way, an expression that shows that he does not know exactly what it was, this request was not respected and the drawings were destroyed.

1:25:00The committee is not afraid, even when under its nose, in the years of operation at the end of the 2000s, they destroyed the materials under its nose. The committee writes, in this context, it is appropriate to cite the fact because, with the beginning of the committee's work, the hospital was asked by Eliezer Yafeh to preserve the drawings. But unfortunately, a light blow from a certain leader, which is, by the way, an expression that shows that he does not know exactly what it was, this request was not respected and the drawings were destroyed. And this is a research committee; it doesn't check. It happened right during its operation. What did they suddenly destroy? And it's not just this archive; they destroyed more archives. They always assume that it was in vain, in vain. The committee turned to government officials and asked for information, and I'll read you a quote that is simply, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. She writes like this: The actions of the committee in this matter at the Sa'ad office—it's a government office— were limited to presenting the material that was in their possession.

1:26:01So, how do you explain this? I can't explain it. I can give my diagnosis that shows they didn't really investigate. Let's see how many people investigate the disappearance of 1,053 children that the committee deals with. So we have three researchers who deal with a huge issue, with many documents, with a lot of evidence, of 1,000-something children. Three researchers at most, and some years only one researcher. What do you expect? What do you expect the State to do?

1:27:17What do you expect? What do you expect the State to do? I can only give an excuse, but it doesn't come from my leadership. The excuse is not that the Israeli government decided to take these children from their families and transfer them to other families, but there was a real process of taking children from families and sending them to other families. Many of the most vulnerable families from Yemen were rescued. I can only give an excuse, but it doesn't come from my leadership. The excuse is not that the Israeli government decided to take these children from their families and transfer them to other families, but there was a real process of taking children from families and sending them to other families. Many of the most vulnerable families from Yemen were rescued. that they got rid of their impudence, their weakness, the fact that they didn't know the language. They took children from them with a lot of jealousy in their minds, thinking that they might be better off with other families. They transferred them to adoptive families. And from the background of things, it's hard to believe that the institution didn't know, and to my mind, people at the institution knew and shared. They opened their eyes, and that's a very heavy burden.

1:28:37Thank you for being with us. Good evening.